Conservatives have so much fucking nerve talking about how “ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS ARE OUT OF CONTROL” when absolutely no-one feels inconvenienced by them or has ever even encountered them in their personal lives unless they’re the CEO’s of a megaconglomerate bitter that they couldn’t rip up a national park and buy like their fifth house boat
False. Go talk to a coal miner ever.
Plastic bag bans. No more microbeads. Mild implementations of water rationing (no lawns, for one). Boatloads of environmentalism in public schools. Showerhead flow restrictors.
The water rationing proposal I’ve seen for if the drought gets slightly worse was badly designed and penalized past conservation, too.
Oh, and the public school presentations I’ve been to involved asserting things like “there’s literally not enough water for everyone in this country”, because that’s elementary school appropriate.
But please, tell me about how government environmentalism never affects me.
I wait, I thought penalizing people for things that weren’t illegal at the time was unconstitutional? Or is that different for civil stuff?
The protections against ex post facto rules are lot more limited than most people expect. Not only do they have no shield against civil actions, but they’re also no protection against criminal laws with regulatory or other non-punitive intent. And the only hold against the changing of a law: regulatory agencies can retroactively change a rule if given that power by the statute, and laws can be written in ways that would require a crystal ball to divine their ultimate effect.
And, yeah, @bogleech ‘s point is really, really not true. Nor do you have to point to small or marginal individual costs like incandescent lightbulbs or dubiously functional toilets.
People have had to consult with the EPA to dig ponds, or build houses in existing subdivision. Over a decade after the FDA realized that saccharin wasn’t dangerous to eat, the EPA still required hazardous waste documentation to throw it out. People renting houses have been fined tens of thousands of dollars for not giving out the right lead pamphlet, even though they could prove the houses didn’t have lead in them to start with.
And that’s with active opposition! Proposed EPA regulations have threatened the entire hunting sport, or risked turning general aviation into a field available only to those rich CEOs. These are things that put food on people’s tables, that are their livelihood.
The EPA does a lot of good things, and there’s places they don’t nearly enough. A Reagan-style attempt to make the organization nonfunctional could cost many lives! But pretending that there’s no cost, or that those costs are born entirely by people you’d like to punish and thus can actually be taken as a side benefit is ludicrous, and a wonderful way to prove to folk that you don’t recognize them or their problems.
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